More seriously now:
Jer 45:3 "Woe, now, to me, for Jehovah has added grief to my pain! I have grown weary because of my sighing, and no resting-place have I found."’
the wtbts is trying to decide on a year text for 2009. here are the scriptures they are trying to choose from: ecc.
12:12: "to the making of many books there is no end and much devotion to them is wearisome to the flesh.
" luke 18:11: "o god i thank you that i am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even as this tax collector.
More seriously now:
Jer 45:3 "Woe, now, to me, for Jehovah has added grief to my pain! I have grown weary because of my sighing, and no resting-place have I found."’
today i saw 2 elders at my mother's , waiting outside, "worrying" that something might've happened to her because she didn't answer her door.
(i had just brought her back from her doctor's appt.).
when they saw me, one immediately said, we want your number to call you in case we need to get in touch with you.
They are so used to no one ever standing up to them as an elder, they don't know what to do when someone actually has the never to stand up to them and treat them as bothersome pests instead of respected holy men.
I'm with you on that undercover, since we don't recognize their authority anymore.
the wtbts is trying to decide on a year text for 2009. here are the scriptures they are trying to choose from: ecc.
12:12: "to the making of many books there is no end and much devotion to them is wearisome to the flesh.
" luke 18:11: "o god i thank you that i am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even as this tax collector.
(Genesis 3:6-7) . . .. 7 Then the eyes of both of them became opened and they began to realize that they were naked.. . .
had a nice long talk with him yesterday....he sure seems to be on the fast track all of a sudden , but actually has shared doubts with his wife for years.
but once he makes up his mind....man he really moves.
so some of my elders know i think it bullshit, but i did not just come right out and say it.
When I finally found out what was going on, I called my dad and informed him that if he or any of the elders or my mother or any other JW ever again breathed a suggestion like that to my wife I would be happy to sue the perpetrators on the tort of Alienation of Affection, but that was surely a very uneasy test of my relationship with my wife.
Well, what do you expect from window washers and custodians masquerading as Marriage Counselors?
But as you say, you could sue if they told your wife that. So by the book, this is hands off.
Keep on trying to talk to your wife. BTW thanks for posting your pic. You look good for 46.
A@G
hey kids, what's doing?.
i sent off an email to a relative and asked if she heard anything about the big announcement this sunday.
i told her what i heard about it and here is her response.
I think they'll say:
New light! The light is really getting briter and briter (sic)
i'm sure this article has come up on the forum.
can any one give me information on the numbers quoted below, in respect to them being inaccurate, correct, or what the number is more like, when you add in jw's that aren't elders, where it seems like they fail to mention here.
it almost seems they try and minimalize the the amount of abuse by only speaking of the elders here.
11 lawsuits with elders... what about MS's?
And how come there are over 6,000 silent lambs?
The WTS finally said something I can agree with:
No human organization is perfect.
Wow... They finally recognized that tehy are a human organization when it comes to abuse. Does this mean they aren't led by God's spirit anymore?
A@G
had a nice long talk with him yesterday....he sure seems to be on the fast track all of a sudden , but actually has shared doubts with his wife for years.
but once he makes up his mind....man he really moves.
so some of my elders know i think it bullshit, but i did not just come right out and say it.
Oompa,
Man, didn't mean to open up a can of worms.... But I think its a positive step to open up to our wives...
I am also pretty sure after this morning my wife would leave if she talks to the elders about our conversation and they say "oompa is a spiritual danger to your faith."....................................................................
Even if she talks to the elders, they are NOT authorized to ebcourage separation or even say that about a mate. I know as an ex-elder. That's a big no-no...
BTW, did the depression start as a result of leaving the JWs? Or did you suffer from it before?
And if you decide to go sailing, you don't have to go solo. You can invite some JWDers on board for a bit... And it doesn't mean you can't go back to your wife if you go away for a brief stint.
Here's to getting you started...
[this is the true story of my life.
i'm posting it in installments.
the final installment will include post-script-type thoughts, with acknowledgements to those who've helped me along these last two years, as well as those who've been an inspiration.
I'm glad to hear that DP... sounds like progress...
A@G
Ooomps,
It'll be easier for the Mr&Mrs Link since both of them want to meet new friends outside the org, unlike me and you whose wives will hear none of that.
A@G
im new to the site, was brought up in 'the truth' but stopped going about three years ago.
my dad has been an elder all my life and as far as elders go he is one of the most 'normal' if you know what i mean.
anyway him and his best friend who is also an elder were suddenly removed last month for attending their daughters weddings (both were baptised but stopped going around 5years ago but werent ever disfellowshipped).
That's despicable on the part of the org that a father can't go to his own daughter's wedding.